Update 12/7/07: Did some more “research” and re-iterated my thoughts here

Sorry, its human nature, right? You buy a car and you dread the day the new model comes out, instantly tossing your car into the “past model” column.. But with cameras (and cell phones, in my case).. you DO like your current gear.. but after a few minutes/hours of playing with it, you quickly develop a list of shortcomings. Now factor in the power of the internet to be able to communicate with millions of people and add in the fact that unhappy customers are more prone to write about it than happy customers, and all of a sudden, you’re anxiously awaiting the next camera.. in my case, the Canon EOS 40D.

I’ve been happy with my Canon EOS 30D.. in fact, when I did own the Canon EOS 20D, I was happy with that too.. but since I was within my return period, I figured I’d upgrade to the 30D, if nothing else, for the larger 2.5″ LCD. I have about 20,000 or so pictures on my 30D since I bought it almost 1 year ago (I’ll find out exactly how many shutter actuations when I take in to Canon Irvine tomorrow). Am I still happy with my camera? Yeah.. I am.. but here’s what I’d want in a new model and why:

My Canon EOS 40D Wish List

1.6x APS-C sensor
I like the 1.6x reach. Its not as clean or noise free as a full-frame sensor.. I’m sure if I used a Canon EOS 5D (or even 1D MkIII or 1Ds MkII), I’d quickly learn to appreciate the image quality of the full-frame sensor. But I think there’s room in my bag for a FF camera later. For now, I like the 1.6x

10+ Megapixels
No big secret here.. but mainly, I’d like more megapixels for cropping. When my 200mm doesnt reach or I’m too chicken $hit to zoom in too tight on a car, it would be good to be able to crop tight on a car, but still retain good image size for printing and/or publication. And hell, if Canon DID make the Canon EOS 40D with MORE than 10 megapixels.. yeah, I would want it.. and yeah, I would be bragging about it.

Faster Frame Rate
I can’t really ask for much more than 5 frames per second. But I’d think Canon would want to improve in this area, since the Nikon D200 is at 5fps also.. so I think the Canon EOS 40D will probably be 6fps.. not a big step up, no where near the 1D MkIIN and definitely a far cry from the 10fps of the 1D MkIII. So, why not? And if it doesnt come true, oh well.. this is my wish list anyway

Better Auto Focus
This is especially true for AI Servo use. I’d like greater accuracy and tracking in the new Canon EOS 40D. The Canon EOS 30D isn’t that bad, but I’m sure there’s much better available (especially in the 1 series). As I’ve predicted in the past, I think the Canon EOS 40D will use the current Canon EOS 5D’s AF, especially since the EOS 30D’s AF is now in the EOS 400D Digital Rebel XTi.

Greater Dynamic Range
No brainer.. but it never really bothered me before.. that is, until I shot a few events in RAW and saw the slight increase in DR and what you could do with it. Since the 1D MkIII is now being touted with greater dynamic range, I doubt this would make its way into the Canon EOS 40D.

Lower Noise
With the introduction of the DiGIC III, I’m sure this will be true. I used to really like the fact the EOS 20D/30D had decent ISO 1600 or 3200 performance. But I find that I’m reluctant to use it that much nowadays because of he need to post-process and the inevitable loss of sharpness/detail. I does surprise me when I use it, but of course, if I didn’t have to use it (or if it was better!), I could bemuch happier. As you can see in my previous post, all of my lenses are now f2.8 or better. I think thats because I’m shooting mostly low light when I’m just “messing around” at home.

With that said.. here’s the latest rumor I read.. it was posted on FM and DPReview.. I read through it, thinking it was just another speculation thread.. but it makes A LOT of sense..

Its a long read.. but if you’re really interested in Canon’s 2007 line up (especially the Canon EOS 40D and potentially the Canon EOS 3D and/or 7D), then read on.. alternatively, if you’re a marketing type.. this would make a good case study.. hard to believe Canon, as big as they are, would screw something like this up.. and yes, I view it as a marketing screw up..


Posted by Sunkyung Kim

I posted on this topic in August 2007 way back in the old Photokina Rumour thread. My ‘source” has just come back from one of his regular business trips to Japan (days ago) where he again met his old colleague buddy now involved in DSLR marketing at Canon at their favourite Sushi bar…

Summarising the previous post Canon was going to replace all their DSLR range in 2007 except for the 400D. There would be:

30D Replacement (40D?) with
• Anti-dust
• 5D like AF
• 10.2mp 4 channel sensor (though they were testing a 12 mp one)
• Still 1.6 crop for those EF-S lenses

• DIGIC III and sensor changes to give better high ISO and lower noise (especially at 1600 and 3200 ISO)

• Very similar appearance to 30D

5D would be split into FF two lines to create full frame demand

• Low end – similar to current 12 Mp sensor but with a more 30D like body (could be a 7D?) and DIGIC III. This low end and xxD series were meant to provide a more cost effective choice between 1.6 and FF for the advance amateur and allow a gradual migration to more full frame over time driven by the market.

• High end with more MP (16mp but not the 1D sensor), improved AF for the full frame, DIGIC III etc. (could be a 3D?)

The 1 Series was being replaced as well
• Canon were very excited by this replacement

• A different division markets these to the normal DSLRs so details were more sketchy (DIGIC III and much better ISO and dynamic range mentioned)

• There had been some late changes which back then (August 2006) were risking the 1 series not making Photokina.

• Canon were working on two new 1 series abut would probably only release one of them for now.

History shows that the 1 series replacment was not announced at Photokina. So that leaves a lot of cameras for 2007

Anyway, according to my “source” this is all still true and Canon is ready to produce these cameras (technology finalised). Indeed 1 series samples are apparently out there (Jeff / Fred?). But the 1 series delay has meant that they need to select what to announce at the PMA – they don’t want to announce all 4 cameras as the dealer channels would complain (too much change / obsolete product at once.) Canon’s thinking (as far as my sources contact was ‘on the inside” was to announce 2 cameras at PMA and 2 later in the year.

This is where it gets interesting – the dilemma for Canon here is:

• The 1 series should be announced first for pride / reputation with the new features

• Even though the 1 series sells in very limited quantities, the professional camera division in Canon has a lot of clout – seen as creating a brand image leadership in the whole camera space.

• The 30D replacement is badly required as the 20D/30D’s combined market share has dropped radically over the last few months due to a combination of internal competition from the 400D and the market impact of the Nikon D80 and Sony A100 etc.

• The 30D series segment is seen as important to Canon because of lens on-sell. This market and upwards tends to buy extra lenses, including high value lenses (I interpret that to be “high profit”).

• The two 5D replacements make the most sense if sold together. Though they could announce the high end one first (as a 5D replacment) and then follow with the low end (entry level FF). The low end 5D repalcement is thought too similar to the 5D to be released while the 5D is in the market.

• The 5D has not sold as well as hoped in most markets except when rebates are offered. However Canon still sell lots more of them that the 1 series and they are nicely profitable. They also have excellent resell on high value lenses.

• The combination of Nikon’s aggressive D40 / D80 / D200 range, with the Sony A100 is taking more DSLR market share than Canon predicted. The 400D is selling very well but Canon know they need to regain more of the midrange DLR market quickly to maintain the lens sales and ‘own’ the system for the advanced amateur and semi-pro etc.

• Sony is known to be working on CMOS sensors at 1.6 and FF for their DSLR range and are expected to continue to complete aggressively on features. (Interesting to see what this does for Nikon who currently buy their CCD sensor from Sony) (Also interesting to see no mention of Pentax, which seems stange..).

• Hence the big dilemma – 30D replacement and 1 series replacement now or 30D and one of the 5D replacements now and leave the other 5D and 1 series for later. Or do they upset their channels (never a good idea) and issue 3 cammeras to give the market at knockout puch. In terms of revenue and immediate market share protection delaying the 1 series further makes sense. But the new high end 5D replacement to very close to the 1 series performance (16mp etc), and in terms of prestige, the 1 series should be the best… (Note, no mention of delaying the 30D replacement so I guess that is a given?)

Apparently the internal discussions at Canon have been “very vigorous”. As far as my “source’s” contact was concerned it was 99% likely to be the 1 series and 30D replacement for PMA, the 5D replacements being left to later this year and potentially even split into 2 years.

Anyway – still a grain of salt needed – these are Sushi and Saki conversations in Japan and my “source’s” colleague buddy may be boasting / trying to impress etc… But it makes some sense..

Interesting that there is no mention of a Nikon D40 competitor… Maybe too soon for Canon to react…. Regardless it would seem that the free market is working with Nikon and Sony likely to force a faster pace out of Canon than we have had over the last few years where they have dominated the DSLR market. This can only be good!

More fuel for the fire…

So if any of this is true.. which I totally believe to be mostly true.. then maybe I’ll just hang on to my Canon EOS 30D and add a Canon EOS 7D (or 3D!) to the camera bag.. I still dig the 1D MkIII though..


7 Responses to “Canon Rumors.. 2007 Canon EOS 40D, 3D, 7D ??”

[...] We all now know that we’re not getting the Canon 40D this Spring. The news and rumor mill has been rather thin lately though on the Canon DSLR front (and we all love to speculate). Since the announcement of the Canon 1D Mk III and accessories, we’ve not really heard much from Canon. In fact, there’s been nothing new on the Canon 40D since pre-PMA. [...]

“here’s what I’d want in a new model and why:”

And yet you did no such thing for the 1.6x preference.

You basically said, ‘I like it because, uh, I like it, and maybe I’d like a full frame sensor but, uh, did I say that I like what I already have?’

Aric’s reply:
Umm.. yeah.. perhaps you should rediscover reading with an emphasis on comprehension.. the first sentence in that section pretty much sums it up.. “I like the 1.6x reach”.. that isn’t a good enough reason? quick, someone enlighten me..

Cheers for that… interesting read!

I do hope the 5D’s and 30D’s replacement come out this summer.. I could do with both!

I just heard from a Canon rep that they will indeed be introducing an update to the 5D! Look for it to drop around Sept/Oct 2007.

Update to include (as discussed) a little more MP (16?), a self-cleaning system, the DIGIC III, faster frame rate, and will be priced more competitively.

Believe that the price will drop considering that their 5D’s now don’t sell as fast without a rebate. Look for the leftovers to drop too. Seeing as they extended their spring rebate for the 5D this past season, it appears that Canon is getting ready to turn over stock to bring out the newer models (now 18 months old).

Could possibly be named the 3D or 7D–the number 7 would be appropriate considering that the company’s first camera was 73 years ago, the current business structure was established in 1937 and it’s 2007 now.)

Other possible features might be larger view screen (?) with pre-shot preview (?), more AF spots, and for a less expensive, less bells and whistles version, a pop up flash.

There was more talk about making their line a bit more standardized and creating cameras with larger MP’s to lead the market.

Great news and can’t wait to try them out. BTW, the company originated their name from the first original product, the “Kwanon” camera–named after the Buddhist Bodhisattva of Mercy.

[...] ORIGINAL POST: We all now know that we’re not getting the Canon 40D this Spring. The news and rumor mill has been rather thin lately though on the Canon DSLR front (and we all love to speculate). Since the announcement of the Canon 1D Mk III and accessories, we’ve not really heard much from Canon. In fact, there’s been nothing new on the Canon 40D since pre-PMA. [...]

[...] and XXD series. The 5D was a first “prosumer” level full-frame camera, but based on one of my earlier posts that discussed Canon’s future, we should know that they are going to push the full-frame cameras aggressively. Why? Well, if [...]

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